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x2x3x2 21st June 2006, 14:23 I was wondering why there's been so much demand for getting Smartmovie to work when the phone already has Real. You can easily convert video to Real on your PC too. They are both based on MP4 compression and i've compared Real on E61 against Smartmovie with the same movie file encoded and the quality is the same, at least to me. I cant tell the difference.
hendryprasetyo 21st June 2006, 17:31 I think the same too..but I don't have a program to convert any mpg to to this real format in e61.can you help me?thanks..
baniels 21st June 2006, 19:54 even if the quality is the same, the realplayer doesn't let you resume playback from where you left off. smartmovie lets you choose the viewing mode. ie portait (the only option in realplayer), or landcape, or landscape 2 (both horizonal options).
the fast forward and rewind seem to be much smoother in smartmovie as well.
nemesoklas 21st June 2006, 20:04 I was wondering why there's been so much demand for getting Smartmovie to work when the phone already has Real. You can easily convert video to Real on your PC too. They are both based on MP4 compression and i've compared Real on E61 against Smartmovie with the same movie file encoded and the quality is the same, at least to me. I cant tell the difference.
What program did you use to make this comparison?:!:
360dunker 21st June 2006, 20:06 realplayer sucks! it does support mp4 (which is 10 times better quality than the ugly 3gp) but most mp4 files dont work on nokia real player phones like n80! real player in nokia does not support most codecs. so whats the use with support for mp4 if we cannot even use it much.
minhtv74 21st June 2006, 20:29 Have you ever try Nokia Media Studio from Maykayama ? Quality is acceptable for s60 3rd :D :D
fankafan 21st June 2006, 21:34 i think smart movie is much better than real player....whisch gives more facility than the inbuilt player
gromeo 21st June 2006, 22:53 I've found /discovered/ for myself the "Allok 3gp" converter, it converts to 3g2, NOT 3gp, and 3g2 is the best thing out there - 2 times better compression than AVI, and better quality for the size... so... if you think more.... go use it!!!!! I will never need SmartMovie again!
The Mullet of G 22nd June 2006, 00:36 Smartmovie on the N80 is fairly useless in my opinion, to achieve an acceptable framerate I have to lower the quality, and by the time the framerate is acceptable the picture quality is bellow that of .3gp, don't confuse low quality .3gp's as being the norm, I use Xilisofts converter, convert to .3gp using xvid codec at 352 x 288, bitrate = 512, mpeg4aac audio at 44.1khz stereo, and the picture quality is comparable with Smartmovie at high settings, only the .3gp clips play smoothly at a constant framerate, while the Smartmovie ones are unwatchable due to severe framerate issues.
nemesoklas 22nd June 2006, 01:58 I've found /discovered/ for myself the "Allok 3gp" converter, it converts to 3g2, NOT 3gp, and 3g2 is the best thing out there - 2 times better compression than AVI, and better quality for the size... so... if you think more.... go use it!!!!! I will never need SmartMovie again!
3g2 is not supported by N80's realplayer! I have tested it.
Maxter295 22nd June 2006, 03:22 3G2 is supported by N80. All my videos are converted to 3G2 using Xilisoft 3GP converter and all of them work perfect on my N80. They're also much smaller than AVI files and run faster.
lovetob 22nd June 2006, 03:52 Look out for The Core Pocket Media Player for 9.1. I've used this (used to be called betaplayer) on my my Ipaq. Awesome app and very free.. It's betaing on s60 at mo and should be arriving soon.
Or for now and something else that has been mentioned here before and is also very free is super and can be found here
hxxp://www.erightsoft.net/
cheesecake 22nd June 2006, 07:27 you guys are right, if you wanna convert to 3GP, dun use the Nokia Converter, it is preset to low quality, use others, i us IMToo 3GP,
quality is good if i set the bitrate higher.
Real Player on mobiles do not play RM, or RMVB format, due to the lack of processing power on mobile phones.
johntrou7 22nd June 2006, 09:25 Which converter do you suggest for creating mp4 movies?
gromeo 22nd June 2006, 10:28 Use Allok 3gp converter, it is tha best man!
Convert using ABOVE 200k bitrae. And it is GREAT! 2 movies, both above 700 MB = 1400 MB, are now both 160 mb! And quality is GREAT! If I was to convert them by 512 k bitrate, the quality would be even greater!
johntrou7 22nd June 2006, 12:54 Use Allok 3gp converter, it is tha best man!
Convert using ABOVE 200k bitrae. And it is GREAT! 2 movies, both above 700 MB = 1400 MB, are now both 160 mb! And quality is GREAT! If I was to convert them by 512 k bitrate, the quality would be even greater!
.....But I want an mp4 converter.
gromeo 22nd June 2006, 13:13 And I want personal Jet, but nobody's giving me one :)
Mate, you better forget about Mp4, and WHY do you need it if 3g2 is better?
Hm..... but... thinking better.... go search for mp4 converter! You deserve it! hahahahaha
johntrou7 22nd June 2006, 14:09 And I want personal Jet, but nobody's giving me one :)
Mate, you better forget about Mp4, and WHY do you need it if 3g2 is better?
Hm..... but... thinking better.... go search for mp4 converter! You deserve it! hahahahaha
You guy are not funny at all.If you don't have any suggestion, stop pressing the keyboard's button...Do something else.
Keep watching 3gp shits and leave as watch something with better quality.
The Mullet of G 22nd June 2006, 19:16 you guys are right, if you wanna convert to 3GP, dun use the Nokia Converter, it is preset to low quality, use others, i us IMToo 3GP,
quality is good if i set the bitrate higher.
Real Player on mobiles do not play RM, or RMVB format, due to the lack of processing power on mobile phones.
I agree 100% about not using the Nokia converter as frankly its poor.
As to Real Player on mobiles not being able to play .rm's due to lack of processing power, well basically thats poppycock as I've been playing .rm's on mobiles since the days of the 6600 without any problems, its all down to using the correct settings when it comes to .rm's, because if you don't then Real Player wont be able to open them, the settings required are fairly strict in nature and will produce lower quality clips than decent .3gp or .3g2 which more or less renders it a pointless format.
@ johntrou7
The quality difference between a properly converted .3gp/3g2 and an mp4 isn't really an issue here, the limiting factor isn't the video format its the phones hardware and software, taking into account the hardware constraints the quality differences between properly converted clips is negligible.
x2x3x2 23rd June 2006, 08:24 What program did you use to make this comparison?:!:
I don't understand what u mean by what program. Anyway what i did was convert the same movie, in this case an X-Japan music video and encoded it using Adobe Premiere (u can also use Real Pro) to Real for my E61. Used Smartmovie converter on PC to encode to avi for my N70. Compared from those.
x2x3x2 23rd June 2006, 08:28 even if the quality is the same, the realplayer doesn't let you resume playback from where you left off. smartmovie lets you choose the viewing mode. ie portait (the only option in realplayer), or landcape, or landscape 2 (both horizonal options).
the fast forward and rewind seem to be much smoother in smartmovie as well.
Yup i agree that smart movie has those features which are good. However there are a few points i wish to make.
1. on E61 it's already in landscape.
2. I was comparing with regards to video quality.
3. Personally i dont find any trouble to fast forward a movie to where i left of. Just takes a few seconds in Real, but maybe some people find that inconvenient.
x2x3x2 23rd June 2006, 08:30 realplayer sucks! it does support mp4 (which is 10 times better quality than the ugly 3gp) but most mp4 files dont work on nokia real player phones like n80! real player in nokia does not support most codecs. so whats the use with support for mp4 if we cannot even use it much.
Your arguement seems one biased. Maybe cos it was easy for u to get Smartmovie working and couldnt get movies to convert and play in Real?
x2x3x2 23rd June 2006, 08:32 I've found /discovered/ for myself the "Allok 3gp" converter, it converts to 3g2, NOT 3gp, and 3g2 is the best thing out there - 2 times better compression than AVI, and better quality for the size... so... if you think more.... go use it!!!!! I will never need SmartMovie again!
Great find! Have yet to try that, gotta check it out. Thanks :)
x2x3x2 23rd June 2006, 08:37 Smartmovie on the N80 is fairly useless in my opinion, to achieve an acceptable framerate I have to lower the quality, and by the time the framerate is acceptable the picture quality is bellow that of .3gp, don't confuse low quality .3gp's as being the norm, I use Xilisofts converter, convert to .3gp using xvid codec at 352 x 288, bitrate = 512, mpeg4aac audio at 44.1khz stereo, and the picture quality is comparable with Smartmovie at high settings, only the .3gp clips play smoothly at a constant framerate, while the Smartmovie ones are unwatchable due to severe framerate issues.
For Smartmovie frame rate issues can be fixed by lowering the audio quality instead of video. I have testing this and it works.
Lowering audio quality/bit rate will not have as much impact as lowering video as on your phone the speakers aren't capable of such high fidelity anyway. And if u are converting a movie (not music videos), it's probably mostly speech. So 32kbps at 24khz is sufficient as far as the speaker capabilities of Nokia phones go.
x2x3x2 23rd June 2006, 08:44 You guy are not funny at all.If you don't have any suggestion, stop pressing the keyboard's button...Do something else.
Keep watching 3gp shits and leave as watch something with better quality.
By giving comments like that u are basically showing those who are more informed that u are just plain ignorant. Avi can look bad as well when the compression is high. Are u basing the .3gp quality u get on the Nokia converter? If yes that is very narrow minded of u, as there are many better ones out there.
SQRATCH 23rd June 2006, 15:30 smartmovie got subtitles
Airskull 23rd June 2006, 18:37 you can force subtitles into the movie and convert after that
Alexx0_o 24th June 2006, 00:49 So many of you guys here have aboslutely NO idea what you're talking about! I'm talking to those who think that RealPlayer and 3gp or 3g2 sucks.
Heres an update for you: BOTH 3gp and 3g2 are a million times better than mp4. They are ALSO a million times better than AVI with XviD or DivX codec (yes, that means smartmovie)
WHY?
Because 3gp and 3g2 can have the following codecs: mpeg4, Xvid (thats right) and even H.263. H.263 is a much better codec than Xvid, it gives better quality at lower filesize, and it uses less CPU (so no lagg on high bitrates and framerates). This format is not only better, but it is alot better optimized for mobiledevices too.
RealPlayer plays all of these out of the box. Use ImTOO (Xilisofts works too) to convert and choose 3g2. Use these options:
Codec: h263
Resolution: 352x288
Bitrate: 1024 (512 is fine as well)
Framerate: 20, 25 or automatic (no change). It's up to you. If the movie is 23 i suggest atuomatic.
Leave the rest to default...
For audio choose the aac codec, stereo, 64 bitrate and 44000hz samplerate.
That's all. Good luck on getting better results than that with your smartmovie (you'll need it!)
dvdaio 24th June 2006, 04:30 hi my friend i want to why why why why is smartmovie v 3.21 for nokia 3250 play the clips avi and divx and xvid slowly or the sound is more faster that the picture so waht can i do please my friend or wht is the steps
joolsca 24th June 2006, 06:08 This is where you can download SUPER, the excellent free app for converting movies to view on your phone...you can use the 3gp container with the MP4 codec to make beautiful conversions for Real Player that look MUCH MUCH better than SmartMovie conversions.
http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html
x2x3x2 25th June 2006, 07:02 hi my friend i want to why why why why is smartmovie v 3.21 for nokia 3250 play the clips avi and divx and xvid slowly or the sound is more faster that the picture so waht can i do please my friend or wht is the steps
Try reducing the audio quality to 32 or 64kbps.
dvdaio 25th June 2006, 16:48 oky i'll try and tell you
The Mullet of G 25th June 2006, 21:43 For Smartmovie frame rate issues can be fixed by lowering the audio quality instead of video. I have testing this and it works.
Lowering audio quality/bit rate will not have as much impact as lowering video as on your phone the speakers aren't capable of such high fidelity anyway. And if u are converting a movie (not music videos), it's probably mostly speech. So 32kbps at 24khz is sufficient as far as the speaker capabilities of Nokia phones go.
Its worth noting that I'm not a green horn and as such lowering the audio quality was pretty much the first thing I tried, the results were still fairly lacklustre in comparison with .3gp clips, I encode all of my Smartmovies at 22khz by default, being as limitations mean that Smartmovie plays all files at 22khz or less anyway. Most of my videos are music videos and I often listen to them via headphones, personally audio quality is important to myself, so 32kbps audio at 22khz fails to impress me, even through the N80's speaker 32kbps sounds fairly poor.
dvdaio 26th June 2006, 00:25 please can you put steps for how to convert video to nokia 3250
i mean how but with steps and pictures please
SQRATCH 26th June 2006, 00:59 Hey Guys, help me to install thiss app http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html
There is a error when I star Installing which says "0001\E6/ff2ogg.exe there was a problem installing this file. The installation will be canceled"
kyputt 26th June 2006, 02:30 ok.. so where can i download SmartMovie for my N80? heard some said it's still not out yet. is it true?
dvdaio 26th June 2006, 02:31 please can you put steps for how to convert video to nokia 3250
i mean how but with steps and pictures please
why no answer please can you answer to me
sspidey 26th June 2006, 04:53 with smartmovie converter though, videoes are encoded very fast with lots more option like from the encoder itself, you can tell the program the section of the movie you want encoded. im using xilisoft and it doesnt have that option, kinda bummer to use another program to just cut the part you want. oh well
dvdaio 26th June 2006, 06:24 every time i convert the file the sound are more faster tahn picture and i want to know why
sspidey 26th June 2006, 14:21 How is the filesize much smaller than Smartmovie encoded vidoes? I encoded 4MB file and the result was 2MB. I tried 3g2 or 3gp but its still the same. i tried using xvid or h263 with bitrate of 512 and the sizes are still huge. im using xilisoft
dvdaio 26th June 2006, 17:30 every time i convert the file the sound are more faster tahn picture and i want to know why
every time i convert the file the sound are more faster tahn picture and i want to know why
iamthegul 1st July 2006, 02:06 The biggest advantage that Realplayer has over Smartmovie is.....its free. And considering there is no cr**k out for Smartmovie yet this fact prob wins the argument.
I do admit its a pain not being able to fast forward in Real. I use my n80 alot to watch TV shows wen on the train and i like to pick up where i left off. Im encoding in mp4 not 3g2 could that be why i cant fast forward?
EDIT *** Actually I'm right you can fast forward if its 3g2. Thats a bit poo, i honestly thought mp4 was better. gonna try encoding in 3g2 see wat results i get.
The Mullet of G 1st July 2006, 15:06 The biggest advantage that Realplayer has over Smartmovie is.....its free. And considering there is no cr**k out for Smartmovie yet this fact prob wins the argument.
I do admit its a pain not being able to fast forward in Real. I use my n80 alot to watch TV shows wen on the train and i like to pick up where i left off. Im encoding in mp4 not 3g2 could that be why i cant fast forward?
EDIT *** Actually I'm right you can fast forward if its 3g2. Thats a bit poo, i honestly thought mp4 was better. gonna try encoding in 3g2 see wat results i get.
Yup amen to that brother, free is the magic number. :D
iamthegul 2nd July 2006, 04:26 ok ive jus done a bit of a test on the encoding thing. Heres wat i got:
using the same video - A Simpsons episode original avi xvid size = 183MB
using the same software - SUPER
1. Encoding using 3gp, mpeg 4 codec, 352x288, 16:9, 25fps, 480 kbps, audio aac, 96 kbps at 22050 freq. Resulting filesize = 90MB - Not bad compression there looking at 50% reduction in filesize and watching the video on the n80 is great, looks really you couldnt even notcie any pixellation unless you look really hard at a paused image.
2. Encoding using 3g2, xvid codec, 352x288, 16:9, 25fps, 480 kbps, audio aac, 96 kbps at 22050 freq. Resulting filesize = 92MB - Hardly anything in it in terms of better compression its only 2MB and again really good quality. Its really hard to tell the difference between this and the above.
So i cant really see wat the problem in terms of mp4 vs 3g2 and all ive jus shown above that they're jus the same. Tell me what im doing wrong if im getting the incorrect results
Zieger 31st July 2006, 08:16 ok ive jus done a bit of a test on the encoding thing. Heres wat i got:
using the same video - A Simpsons episode original avi xvid size = 183MB
using the same software - SUPER
1. Encoding using 3gp, mpeg 4 codec, 352x288, 16:9, 25fps, 480 kbps, audio aac, 96 kbps at 22050 freq. Resulting filesize = 90MB - Not bad compression there looking at 50% reduction in filesize and watching the video on the n80 is great, looks really you couldnt even notcie any pixellation unless you look really hard at a paused image.
2. Encoding using 3g2, xvid codec, 352x288, 16:9, 25fps, 480 kbps, audio aac, 96 kbps at 22050 freq. Resulting filesize = 92MB - Hardly anything in it in terms of better compression its only 2MB and again really good quality. Its really hard to tell the difference between this and the above.
So i cant really see wat the problem in terms of mp4 vs 3g2 and all ive jus shown above that they're jus the same. Tell me what im doing wrong if im getting the incorrect results
Hmm....i have installed Super C try to do the same encoding as you BUT I get s an error trying to encode a video file. ANY FILE......
Is my Super C having problems? Or any additonal settings I have left out?
The Mullet of G 31st July 2006, 12:47 ok ive jus done a bit of a test on the encoding thing. Heres wat i got:
using the same video - A Simpsons episode original avi xvid size = 183MB
using the same software - SUPER
1. Encoding using 3gp, mpeg 4 codec, 352x288, 16:9, 25fps, 480 kbps, audio aac, 96 kbps at 22050 freq. Resulting filesize = 90MB - Not bad compression there looking at 50% reduction in filesize and watching the video on the n80 is great, looks really you couldnt even notcie any pixellation unless you look really hard at a paused image.
2. Encoding using 3g2, xvid codec, 352x288, 16:9, 25fps, 480 kbps, audio aac, 96 kbps at 22050 freq. Resulting filesize = 92MB - Hardly anything in it in terms of better compression its only 2MB and again really good quality. Its really hard to tell the difference between this and the above.
So i cant really see wat the problem in terms of mp4 vs 3g2 and all ive jus shown above that they're jus the same. Tell me what im doing wrong if im getting the incorrect results
You've pretty much confirmed my earlier point, the differences between the formats is negligible as the limiting factor isn't the video format its the hardware its running on.
kog 10th August 2006, 12:28 Hi All,
finally I could manage to convert a movie using ImTOO to 3gp, and played it on my E60 with Real. Everything was fine, picture and sound quality was fine, but I realised that I cannot put bookmarks and play the movie from where I stopped it, therefore I used to pause the movie and put the player to the background. That worked for a while, but somehow the RealPlayer app just diasppeared from my running programs and I had to restart the whole movie, what is very disappointing when you have seen the half of a one-and-a-half-hour long movie. My question is that is there a way to make Real not to forget where you stopped, or can SmartMovie act like this? Is there any player for S60 3rd what supports this feature?
Thanks in advance :)
heke83 10th August 2006, 13:37 Can I watch a video full screen and rotated 90 degrees so that the video uses the full resolution of N80 with real player?
Which program is the best for converting videos for N80 & realplayer?
adnguyen 11th August 2006, 09:40 I think SmartMovie always be the best Movie Player for Nokia!
johrael 11th August 2006, 12:13 Anyone know how to convert a WMV into 3G2? I've tried it a couple of times but the audio and video just won't sync. Could there be something I left out? I'm using Xilisoft to convert.
Tks in advance for any help... cheers.
ioji 11th August 2006, 15:54 For Heke83 - You can watch on N80 in full screen mode by pressing "2",or in Real Player you have Option "play in full screen".For converting, use "Super" or Xilisoft 3GP Converter,Both are "SUPER" !
ioji 11th August 2006, 15:57 For Kog - If you want to watch a movie from where you left it,just go in Real Player,play the movie and fast forward - it where you left it,Real player can do this fast it only take you 2 or 3 seconds,use the selection key uo and down.
kog 15th August 2006, 19:48 For Kog - If you want to watch a movie from where you left it,just go in Real Player,play the movie and fast forward - it where you left it,Real player can do this fast it only take you 2 or 3 seconds,use the selection key uo and down.
Thank you, ioji, have tried and all is OK now. Honestly, I don't understand how could I miss this function, 'cause I have tried to push and move anything I could find on the phone previously :)
trat 20th August 2006, 13:18 I think SmartMovie always be the best Movie Player for Nokia!
Please, keep THINKING that way.
Jedsada 20th August 2006, 16:58 I cant get the full screen for my n73 though i press the full screen mode. is it because the screen is bigger than other s60v3 phone?
pulsar150manish 21st August 2006, 03:52 which format is best 3gp or mp4??? help someone!!!
xxadonisxx 21st August 2006, 10:00 which format is best 3gp or mp4??? help someone!!!
according to what i have read from the previous pages, it was just basically and unmistakeably the same....
toadpole 21st August 2006, 10:16 In my experience, the regular .3GPP format isn't very good, it means horrible quality, but low file sizes. However, there is an update to .3GP in s60v3 phones, using 3GPP2 codecs, which I feel has superb quality with low file sizes. I would suffice to say that in my opinion 3GPP2 files are a perfect balance between file size and video quality. However, if file size is not an issue, MPEG4 would obviously be better.
Of course, MPEG4 file size also depends on the codec, but the balance between the file size and quality is somewhat similar to 3GPP2
which format is best 3gp or mp4??? help someone!!!
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magneto04 5th September 2006, 11:55 In my experience, the regular .3GPP format isn't very good, it means horrible quality, but low file sizes. However, there is an update to .3GP in s60v3 phones, using 3GPP2 codecs, which I feel has superb quality with low file sizes. I would suffice to say that in my opinion 3GPP2 files are a perfect balance between file size and video quality. However, if file size is not an issue, MPEG4 would obviously be better.
Of course, MPEG4 file size also depends on the codec, but the balance between the file size and quality is somewhat similar to 3GPP2
Been using ImToo to convert to 3G2. Plays perfectly on my N73. Tried many configurations. Did not find any noticable difference between 3GP and 3G2, or h.263 codec and MPEG4 codec. Initially had problems with video and audio being out of sync but solved it by upping framerate to 29.97. But now works perfectly on Real Player with great video/audio quality. Better than smartmovie 3.25 default settings for N73.
My ImToo settings are as follows:
Profile - .3G2
Video Codec - MPEG4
Bitrate - 512
Size - 320x240
Framerate - 29.97 (<---this is important or video and audio will not be in sync)
Audio - MPEG4AAC
Bitrate - 64
Sample rate - 44100
Channels - 2(Stereo)
1 hour of the movie is about 250-300MB. Full 2hr movie about 550-600MB.
nitrous_ch 5th September 2006, 15:56 where i can download smartmovie cracked for my n91
Amir.Erell 5th September 2006, 16:32 1 hour of the movie is about 250-300MB. Full 2hr movie about 550-600MB.
thats really big! too big for most users!
s_ang 5th September 2006, 22:59 hi guys...i've gt a qn.y cant i play .rm files on the realplayer of my n80?i could only hear the audio and not see the video.
1980 6th September 2006, 00:11 Framerate - 29.97 (<---this is important or video and audio will not be in sync)
I tryed xilisoft and Imtoo with your configuration but always the same problem adio and video are not syncronised.. I think the problem could be for the codecs I installed on my pc.. I tryed ffdshow and xvid.. nothing.. now I have a new problem when I open a 3gp video with nokia multimedia player it appears on the screen a message "output hardware is reserved.. the movie will play without audio".. any help? :goodman:
hilt 6th September 2006, 00:21 hi guys...i've gt a qn.y cant i play ....
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4669/28c8bcdebd0.gif
and back to the topic. .rm oughta play just fine. at least i can play streamed media just fine. Can you see what version of realmedia the clip is?
s_ang 6th September 2006, 08:20 http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4669/28c8bcdebd0.gif
and back to the topic. .rm oughta play just fine. at least i can play streamed media just fine. Can you see what version of realmedia the clip is?
how do can i check the version?
1980 6th September 2006, 13:19 definitely why using smartmovie? try to encode a divx in 3gp.. have you ever seen audio and video syncronised? smartmovie rule
xvenom_byt 6th September 2006, 13:51 for me i go smartmovie cuz video ok quality, sound thats ok too, it also support subtitles, and most asian users demand subtitles....like me...hahaha
magneto04 6th September 2006, 14:03 I tryed xilisoft and Imtoo with your configuration but always the same problem adio and video are not syncronised.. I think the problem could be for the codecs I installed on my pc.. I tryed ffdshow and xvid.. nothing.. now I have a new problem when I open a 3gp video with nokia multimedia player it appears on the screen a message "output hardware is reserved.. the movie will play without audio".. any help? :goodman:
Hi, I have previously emailed Xilisoft about the lack of video/audio sync. Try unchecking "Detect Progressive 24Hz" in settings. Here is their answer in full:
"For the sync problem , if you have already uncheck the "Detect
Progressive24Hz" and still doesn't work, please modify "Frame Rate" on the
right panel of the main interface. The default setting of this item is
"Auto". Please enter a concrete number for it to have a try. I think you can
try following numbers: 15, 23, 29.97,50 and 60 generally, one of them will
work. Please highlight the item which you want to rip by our program before
modifying anything.
And of course, you can have try on some other number which seems to be
closer (I can give you some suggestion here) if the audio is a bit earlier
than the video, you need to adjust the frame rate to higher value to speed
up the video, and so on, if these ones won't work for your DVD for the
situation might be slightly different for all kinds of media and your DVD
maybe a little uncommon."
magneto04 6th September 2006, 14:05 definitely why using smartmovie? try to encode a divx in 3gp.. have you ever seen audio and video syncronised? smartmovie rule
Haha...well I suppose if someone has a crack for 3rd Edition, I will use smartmovie too...but right now, ImToo/Xilisoft will have to do.
Alexx0_o 6th September 2006, 19:59 definitely why using smartmovie? try to encode a divx in 3gp.. have you ever seen audio and video syncronised? smartmovie rule
Yes, in fact I have ALWAYS seen audio and video syncronised. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I use ImTOO, 3g2 and h263. It NEVER gets out of sync. Smartmovie on the other hand.... I have to keep on adusting the audio to get it to sync.
Tell me, is your audio sync settings in SmartMovie at 0.00? And it isnt out of sync? I don't belive it till i see it with my own eyes :rolleyes:
doc26 6th September 2006, 21:15 How can i past the subtitels in any program, to convert movis on *3gp or *.3g2. Sory 4 my english..
ady2 7th September 2006, 15:00 How can i past the subtitels in any program, to convert movis on *3gp or *.3g2. Sory 4 my english..
Use VirtualBub (it's free). Add subtitle filtering and convert in different formats; obtain video with subtitles included on image. Main disadvantage: subtitles cannot be scaled on playback.
1980 7th September 2006, 15:29 Yes, in fact I have ALWAYS seen audio and video syncronised. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I use ImTOO, 3g2 and h263. It NEVER gets out of sync. Smartmovie on the other hand.... I have to keep on adusting the audio to get it to sync.
Tell me, is your audio sync settings in SmartMovie at 0.00? And it isnt out of sync? I don't belive it till i see it with my own eyes
not always I tryed Imtoo and xilisoft with no results but now with Total video converter audio and video ar sync. But believe me it doesn't exist that with smartmovie audio and video are not in sync.. unfortunately we have to wait a keygen and keep using real now but there's no history smartmovie RULEZ
magneto04 7th September 2006, 20:39 Yes, in fact I have ALWAYS seen audio and video syncronised. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I use ImTOO, 3g2 and h263. It NEVER gets out of sync. Smartmovie on the other hand.... I have to keep on adusting the audio to get it to sync.
Tell me, is your audio sync settings in SmartMovie at 0.00? And it isnt out of sync? I don't belive it till i see it with my own eyes :rolleyes:
Have used smartmovie for all my previous three S60 phones (6670, 6630 and N70), but now have switched to Real Player and ImToo for my N73. Personally I find that the ImToo / Real Player combo plays alot smoother and sharper than smartmovie. Smartmovie tended to be pixilated when the scenes are fast moving. I also tried the default N73 setting in smartmovie 3.25 but quality was inferior to what I was getting with ImToo/Real Player combo. But maybe its just that I am ripping the movie at a much higher quality with ImToo.
Also - ImToo rips direct from DVD while smartmovie cant.
Anyone else got similar experiences?
Sky1 8th September 2006, 17:47 QD Doesn't have real
chiduc2004 8th September 2006, 18:22 LOL !!!! QD use smart movie lar ! Real for wat ????
doc26 9th September 2006, 01:05 Use VirtualBub (it's free). Add subtitle filtering and convert in different formats; obtain video with subtitles included on image. Main disadvantage: subtitles cannot be scaled on playback.
Can you past VirtualBub..?
popophobia 9th September 2006, 01:09 virtualDub I believe, google it. there's a version of virtualDub MOD too (which, i think, is better)
Popz 9th September 2006, 09:15 hi.. Is there anyway to fast forward in real? I dun wan to rewatch the whole video if i wanted to watch a specific part. HELP!
dazza7111 9th September 2006, 19:32 hi.. Is there anyway to fast forward in real? I dun wan to rewatch the whole video if i wanted to watch a specific part. HELP!
dont think so thats why smartmovie is better for films!
magneto04 9th September 2006, 22:18 hi.. Is there anyway to fast forward in real? I dun wan to rewatch the whole video if i wanted to watch a specific part. HELP!
On the N73, start the movie. Then, push the joystick upwards and hold, it will fast forward. Push the joystick downwards and hold, it will rewind. Cheers.
steini 9th September 2006, 23:01 Ich suche was für n80 full Player smartmovie
steini
dazza7111 9th September 2006, 23:23 On the N73, start the movie. Then, push the joystick upwards and hold, it will fast forward. Push the joystick downwards and hold, it will rewind. Cheers.
yep working with n91 thanks! :supz:
doc26 12th September 2006, 12:39 virtualDub I believe, google it. there's a version of virtualDub MOD too (which, i think, is better)
I don't know how i must past subtitels..
I try, and try.. I don't understand this program..:(
ady2 12th September 2006, 14:22 On the N73, start the movie. Then, push the joystick upwards and hold, it will fast forward. Push the joystick downwards and hold, it will rewind. Cheers.
Stupid me! It's working perfectly (N73)! Rep added. Tnx! :ilove:
ady2 12th September 2006, 14:31 I don't know how i must past subtitels..
I try, and try.. I don't understand this program..:(
1. load video file
2. video -> filters -> add -> subtitling
here you can load subtitle file to be included in final video stream
3. video -> compression -> ...
zeze 12th September 2006, 16:18 This is obviously a matter of opinion but I perfer smartmovie over real. I think there are better controls - and smartmovie will play avi files that real doesn't recognize.
technod 12th September 2006, 16:27 How can we delete recently open files from real player?
lyndass 12th September 2006, 16:37 And I want personal Jet, but nobody's giving me one :)
Mate, you better forget about Mp4, and WHY do you need it if 3g2 is better?
Hm..... but... thinking better.... go search for mp4 converter! You deserve it! hahahahaha
hey hun the allok does convert to mp4 and loads more
lyndass 12th September 2006, 16:40 has any 1 worked out how to play all files rather than keep haveing to push back then play next file as its so annoying :supz:
rumbata 12th September 2006, 18:23 Can anyone give me smartmovie?
sarfaraz20 14th September 2006, 21:28 Please Post the Conveter Name .....
suren21 15th September 2006, 09:22 looks like imToo is alwasys producing content where the audio and video are out of sync. Could that be a problem with the source file ( btw its a avi )
cheeley 22nd September 2006, 19:43 I don't mean 2 be rude people & just butt in,but 2 be honest with u I haven't cum across a relevant topic 2 talk about it,anyway I've got a N91!and yes i did mainly get it 1)because it was the newest phone out at the time & 2)Because of the 4Gb HHd,i love my music as well as all the other software I knew I'd b able 2 install,but I've already had loads of grief with it,had to Hard-Format at least 3 TIMES so far!!Coming quickly 2 my point I didnt know anything about a different operating system than the other N-Series phones,so basically I've got this so called Latest Phone but theres not much(Other than MUSIC!!)that I can install,other than a few LUCKY picked Java games!!Another thing I wanted to know was How can I watch any movies/clips on the phone?!the longest I've managed is about 15-20 mins!!You're discussing This "Smartmovie Player"but what is it?!Would I be able 2 get it 4 my phone?!How do I install it?!(You're talking about "Key Gens??!!")I'm really sorry if I sound stupid asking these questions,but my last phone I had was the N70!!And everything that I found at the time I was able 2 install NO PROBLEM!!And now all the things I want 4 this one,I've found out IS'NT COMPATIBLE!!All I'm getting is my Missus laughing at me 'cause she's now got the N70(WITH everything on it!!)All I've got is A Pain the Arse Phone with about 100 Songs on it & Nothing ELSE!!Come on somebody please HELP a man in desperation out??!!
ady2 23rd September 2006, 00:39 I don't mean 2 be rude people & just butt in,but 2 be honest with u I haven't cum across a relevant topic 2 talk about it,anyway I've got a N91!and yes i did mainly get it 1)because it was the newest phone out at the time & 2)Because of the 4Gb HHd,i love my music as well as all the other software I knew I'd b able 2 install,but I've already had loads of grief with it,had to Hard-Format at least 3 TIMES so far!!Coming quickly 2 my point I didnt know anything about a different operating system than the other N-Series phones,so basically I've got this so called Latest Phone but theres not much(Other than MUSIC!!)that I can install,other than a few LUCKY picked Java games!!Another thing I wanted to know was How can I watch any movies/clips on the phone?!the longest I've managed is about 15-20 mins!!You're discussing This "Smartmovie Player"but what is it?!Would I be able 2 get it 4 my phone?!How do I install it?!(You're talking about "Key Gens??!!")I'm really sorry if I sound stupid asking these questions,but my last phone I had was the N70!!And everything that I found at the time I was able 2 install NO PROBLEM!!And now all the things I want 4 this one,I've found out IS'NT COMPATIBLE!!All I'm getting is my Missus laughing at me 'cause she's now got the N70(WITH everything on it!!)All I've got is A Pain the Arse Phone with about 100 Songs on it & Nothing ELSE!!Come on somebody please HELP a man in desperation out??!!
Don't be so desperate :) After all, almost all basic software working on N70 has release for S60v3 now. Yes, you can watch movies as long as you have storage space (and you have...). Take a deep breath and read threads in this forum, especially showing download items. You'll find plenty of software for your new phone. And next time (mean: next phone) do in reverse order: first read forums, and buy it after :)
varunzzz 23rd September 2006, 07:16 I don't mean 2 be rude people & just butt in,but 2 be honest with u I haven't cum across a relevant topic 2 talk about it,anyway I've got a N91!and yes i did mainly get it 1)because it was the newest phone out at the time & 2)Because of the 4Gb HHd,i love my music as well as all the other software I knew I'd b able 2 install,but I've already had loads of grief with it,had to Hard-Format at least 3 TIMES so far!!Coming quickly 2 my point I didnt know anything about a different operating system than the other N-Series phones,so basically I've got this so called Latest Phone but theres not much(Other than MUSIC!!)that I can install,other than a few LUCKY picked Java games!!Another thing I wanted to know was How can I watch any movies/clips on the phone?!the longest I've managed is about 15-20 mins!!You're discussing This "Smartmovie Player"but what is it?!Would I be able 2 get it 4 my phone?!How do I install it?!(You're talking about "Key Gens??!!")I'm really sorry if I sound stupid asking these questions,but my last phone I had was the N70!!And everything that I found at the time I was able 2 install NO PROBLEM!!And now all the things I want 4 this one,I've found out IS'NT COMPATIBLE!!All I'm getting is my Missus laughing at me 'cause she's now got the N70(WITH everything on it!!)All I've got is A Pain the Arse Phone with about 100 Songs on it & Nothing ELSE!!Come on somebody please HELP a man in desperation out??!!
Lol.. my deepest sympathies are with you.. ive got the n80 and i love it. :) well ok my friend had the same problem with his n91 and he was about to throw it away but i fixed it.. first of all what i did was i upgraded the firmware. you will be able to do that yourself but if you dont want to take up the headach you can simply give it to nokia service center and they will do it.. secondly after all that is done its very essential to organise your stuff on the hdd as it is huge.. you have to put all your music photos etc in folders.. when you sort your music photos etc in folders then the phone doesnt hang or restart and plus the menu opens faster too.. its true it works ive done it on my friends cell and now he is totally happy.. :) you can download smartmovie form this forum and install it on your cell.. its just a trial version and the keygen is not out yet. so the playtime is limited but there is a fix for that. you have to copy and paste a file to reset the time. For infomation on that you can visit the link below.
http://www.iphone-forum.org/symbian-os-91-apps/t-smart-movie-322-reset-time-again-to-59-minutes-nokia-e61-tested-116528.html
to convert videos for the cell you can use the smartmovie converter.
You can get loads of stuff for your cell from here itself.. just read the topic to find out if it is for your cell.. dont worry n91 is also a good cell all you have to do is organise it and it will work like a charm.
Dingo 23rd September 2006, 12:48 Phone: N80 Video (Only) Quality Tests:
Common Settings: 352x288 pixels (stored/played from 2gig memory card & from phone memory)
File for Conversion: High Quality DV AVI 1 Minute 217mb
Software: ImToo 3GP Video Converter 3.0
Player : Real Player
1 - 3G2 / mp4 / 1024 / 29.7fps = (7.08mb) + Gallery Preview (Yes) + High Visual Stills + High Cross Disolves + Medium Lag
Pans
2 - 3G2 / xvid / 512 / 30fps = (3.60mb) + Gallery Preview (Yes) + High Visual Stills + High Cross Disolves + Low Lag Pans
3 - 3G2 / mp4 / 512 / 30fps = (3.53mb) + Gallery Preview (Yes) + Medium Visual Stills + Medium Cross Disolves + Low Lag Pans
4 - 3G2 / h263 / 512 / 30fps = (3.44mb) + Gallery Preview (No) + Medium Visual Stills + Low Cross Disolves + Low Lag Pans
5 - 3GP / xvid / 512 / 30fps = (3.56mb) + Gallery Preview (Yes) + High Visual Stills + High Cross Disolves + Low Lag Pans
6 - 3GP / mp4 / 512 / 30fps = (3.57mb) + Gallery Preview (Yes) + Medium Visual Stills + Medium Cross Disolves + Low Lag Pans
7 - 3GP / h263 / 512 / 30fps = (3.55mb) + Gallery Preview (No) + Medium Visual Stills + Low Cross Disolves + Low Lag Pans
Software: Smartmovie Converter 3.25
Player: Smartmovie 3.25
8 - avi / xvid / 512 / 15fps & 30fps = (1.49+mb) + Gallery Preview (N/A) + High Visual Stills + High Cross Disolves + High Lag Pans
My 'personal' video only Summary:
- Winner for quality was test 2 due to great quality all round + low lag in pans.
- Winner for size was test 8 due to great quality but laggy pans.
- N80 all round has some lag issues with fast moving pans (worse in smartmovie 3.25 than real player).
- Performance (lag) could be processer/phone model/firmware/software player related.
- No visual difference in using 3GP or 3G2 and file type.
- Xvid is the winner of codec choice providing clear (non blocky pixel stills and cross disolves).
- Both mp4 and h263 codecs produced artifacts on stills and absolutely crap cross disolves.
- Codec h263 will play using real player but the gallery will not show a preview image.
- Playing around with many other setting may produce better lag results (unknown)
- My old n90 played better video... but I could barely lift my leg with it in my pocket...
- The girls were impressed by the large bulge the n90 made in my pocket ;)
- The girls are now attracted to the sexiness of my n80... Oops back on track...
- I previously converted using ImToo Mpeg Converter native .MP4 files for Real Player of great quality.
- mp4 and h263 codecs required twice the bitrate of xvid to provude the same quality.
- No difference in playback or lag was found between phone memory or memory card.
- I like the ease of Smartmovie but the current phone and/or player software 3.25 is more laggy than Real.
Cheers!
Lefteris23 24th September 2006, 00:33 If you are looking for a quality video converter, which is TOTALY FREE, try the PSP9 video converter:
http://www.pspvideo9.com/
It is designed to convert movies to mp4 and play them back on PSP9, however it can be adjusted and produce any kind of videos....
It is totally free and has a great quality, so give it a try!
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