catchy title eh? sounds technical. hohoho! :rolleyes:

I opened this topic because, i have these uncertainties that needs counseling. You can also share here things about life that bothers you most...

I'm a Roman Catholic Christian, and in our belief, God created man and the universe, however in Charles Darwin's theory, Man started from nothing, evolved into microscopic lifeforms, then into more complex beings, then apes, and now we are who we are now. I know, i know, its another Science/Religion topic. Creation VS Evolution... which is true, which is more believable?

How did this world come to its existence?

- Here is your answer -

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God's Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters.

3 God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

4 God saw the light, and saw that it was good. God divided the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." There was evening and there was morning, one day.

6 God said, "Let there be an expanse in the middle of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

7 God made the expanse, and divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.

8 God called the expanse "sky." There was evening and there was morning, a second day.

9 God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered together to one place, and let the dry land appear;" and it was so.

10 God called the dry land "earth," and the gathering together of the waters he called "seas." God saw that it was good.

11 God said, "Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit after their kind, with its seed in it, on the earth;" and it was so.

12 The earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, with its seed in it, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.

13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day.

14 God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of sky to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years;

15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of sky to give light on the earth;" and it was so.

16 God made the two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the expanse of sky to give light to the earth,

18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. God saw that it was good.

19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

20 God said, "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of sky."

21 God created the large sea creatures, and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed, after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind. God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."

23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

24 God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, livestock, creeping things, and animals of the earth after their kind;" and it was so.

25 God made the animals of the earth after their kind, and the livestock after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind. God saw that it was good.

26 God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

27 God created man in his own image. In God's image he created him; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them. God said to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

29 God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food.

30 To every animal of the earth, and to every bird of the sky, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food;" and it was so.

31 God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. There was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.

but how can you explain the excavated bones of the prehistoric people? the austrolopheticus man, the neanderthal man, the ancestors of humanity are apes... no offense but, could the first people which God created, looked like apes?

The bible describe people in the early parts of Genesis (i dont know the chapter) that lived for hundreds of years. As we know the average life span was somewhere in the neighborhood of 900 years in the early age. One of the things that we have learned from modern science is that the bones of the head and face continue to grow through our entire adult life (though at a slower rate than when we are children).

I think we are all understand that Darwin's theory is A Theory From A Human named Darwin:) , And bible is a sacrated from God:heart: , its a question that your heart already knew the answer:idea: . I am a Catholic, and as in protestant its same that we aren't came from a monkey. I don't want to agree with Darwin, in my mind Its OK if a human look so close like a monkey in body structure:lol: and a little habbit:lol: , but a BIG different is we have manner and brain and God created human in ferfect build, not like monkeys.......:heart:

dear friends..
i was a zoology student.. evolution was one of my very interesting topic.. i studied a little deep into it. i must say that i agree with Darwin's theory.. (like survival of the fittest etc.. ).. u cant deny survival of fittest.. even in todays society we see it..
we can see that we are different from our ancestors a few generations back... because i think living standards have reache a good level than theirs.. at that time a man's avg age was 60 but now???
forgive my haste answer.. i just wanted to participate..

but i do believe that there is a controlling force that controls everthing.. and looks after us..
i am a hindu but i believe that all religions and gods are same.. i studied the bible to learn of CREATION..
i had no good muslim friends otherwise i could have also studied Holy quaran also.. to learn..

anyw ay u cant believe that the world erupted al of a sudden..
it must have evolved a s a gradual process..

i dont think we eveolved from monkeys but i do believe that both monkeys and humans had a common ANCESTOR..

dear friends..
i was a zoology student.. evolution was one of my very interesting topic.. i studied a little deep into it. i must say that i agree with Darwin's theory.. (like survival of the fittest etc.. ).. u cant deny survival of fittest.. even in todays society we see it..
we can see that we are different from our ancestors a few generations back... because i think living standards have reache a good level than theirs.. at that time a man's avg age was 60 but now???
forgive my haste answer.. i just wanted to participate..

but i do believe that there is a controlling force that controls everthing.. and looks after us..
i am a hindu but i believe that all religions and gods are same.. i studied the bible to learn of CREATION..
i had no good muslim friends otherwise i could have also studied Holy quaran also.. to learn..

anyw ay u cant believe that the world erupted al of a sudden..
it must have evolved a s a gradual process..

i dont think we eveolved from monkeys but i do believe that both monkeys and humans had a common ANCESTOR..
Sure, you are forgiven ktm_kannan:lol: , Yess you should learn Al-Qur'aan, I Love a person learning everything to found how wonderfull our full colours World is....And make our mind rich of Understanding each other, Bless you:heart: .

thank you for the enlightenment guys, you were all right. But we can't know for sure the reality, the world has lots of secrets yet waiting to be unfold. maybe only time will tell...

Sure, you are forgiven ktm_kannan:lol: , Yess you should learn Al-Qur'aan, I Love a person learning everything to found how wonderfull our full colours World is....And make our mind rich of Understanding each other, Bless you:heart: .

thank u...i tried learning Syriac just for starters at college as my second language... but that year didn't go well (some family problems....).. now i must study Arabic if want to study the Holy book... or may be i will find a transalated version..
any way as i said right now i don't have any good friends whom i could ask..
i had when i was at school..but that was a long time ago........................................
i am new to forums.. so if i made any mistakes pl.. correct them..
i did join some.. but none were as good as this..:iphonepost:
:ilove:

thank u...i tried learning Syriac just for starters at college as my second language... but that year didn't go well (some family problems....).. now i must study Arabic if want to study the Holy book... or may be i will find a transalated version..
any way as i said right now i don't have any good friends whom i could ask..
i had when i was at school..but that was a long time ago........................................
i am new to forums.. so if i made any mistakes pl.. correct them..
i did join some.. but none were as good as this..:iphonepost:
:ilove:
:heart: Well, me eideR, I don't know who's the person can help you learn Al-Quraan:-(,.. But you can start to browse the site about that, don't you?. And I knew that also in The Al-Quraan human is made from blood, the first man made is Adam. Okie?:):heart:

I think that the question is just as what came first egg or the hen. Even Charles Darwin would not ve answered it. According to me We should go by the religious scriptures and none of the MAJOR WORLD RELIGIONS says that we evolved from monkeys and apes. Just believe it when the CREATOR says that HE created the universe in SIX DAYS.

hi brother,
the quran has answer to all the questions which u have in ur mind , starting from evolution of earth to evolution of man....... everything is explained well . and unlike other religious books its the only holy book in world which has been preserved for so long without any errors or human correction, its a direct revealation of Allah to us via our beloved prophet(peace be upon him). please get a copy of quran (english translated) and u can find all the answer to your questions.

@imran74 - about the question wat came first, egg or chicken.

Its the chicken of course. God created animals. not eggs, right?

Life's a mystery to you people, so who would like a counseling? I'm a certified counselor.

Hmmm that's an interesting question, about the egg and chicken. It must have been the chicken first. Technically, an egg must be at an appropriate incubation temperature to hatch. so its the chicken which must incubate the egg. But then, it must have been a chicken with an already fertilised egg to lay

hey ppl....i have been wanting the answers for questions such as these since years....and so i have studied many books......

so bout the darwin v/s genesis thing, heres my pov :

the bible says many things like the earth was flat, and Jesus walked on water...and many other such things.......so theres no much use believing that God created the world in six days.......................dont take me wrong here......i never said God never created the world.....in fact i m a believer in God and a follower of the bible...tho i m a hindu.....................but wat i m tryin to say is that....the bible was the message of God to man...which means it was as well written by men.....not by God himself.....and what most of us read today is the english version.....whereas it was originally in Hebrew............so there cud b translation errors.......and the translator as well cud b corrupt........
so theres no use analysing the bible scientifically....u mite find many flaws there if u do so.........it mite help if u analysed spiritually tho........i mean u know....not what it says literally....but what it implies...for example.......

MATTHEW chapter 17 verse 20 n 21 :
20And he saith
unto them, Because of your little faith: for verily I say unto you, If ye
have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain,
Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be
34
impossible unto you. 21But this kind goeth not out save by prayer and
fasting.

if u take this literally....a man movin a mountain is jus absurd......but wat the mountain implies is obstacles.........that way its so very true !!





and bout the darwin theory.......it has been scientifically proven that man has evolved from monkeys....its an established fact !! but again.....u can explain this in a religious way too....

catchy title eh? sounds technical. hohoho! :rolleyes:

I opened this topic because, i have these uncertainties that needs counseling. You can also share here things about life that bothers you most...

I'm a Roman Catholic Christian, and in our belief, God created man and the universe, however in Charles Darwin's theory, Man started from nothing, evolved into microscopic lifeforms, then into more complex beings, then apes, and now we are who we are now. I know, i know, its another Science/Religion topic. Creation VS Evolution... which is true, which is more believable?

How did this world come to its existence?

Offtopic:
that is a pretty open ended question... of course the most logical answer is the scientific one. Faith is faith. it is an intangible proof of something whilst science can substantiate the answers they provide for questions that are existing.

in an empirical point of view... there must be a catalyst that started everything. all creation.. living or nonliving is comprised of atoms and molecules..

so where did those atom and molecules come from in the first place.. :)

^_^ your question is basically the same question as... what came first... the chicken or the egg... :)

to answer your question: (my POV anyway)
there must be a supreme being that moved his/her finger... which started the whole shebang. :)

in one statement on the bible "Jesus turned water into wine" because it is not enough for people.

If Jesus can predict this earlier then there is no need for a miracle to happen. Did He already see the need for a miracle?

Life's a mystery to you people, so who would like a counseling? I'm a certified counselor.
A bit off topic sorry, but what do you know about PTSD, post traumatic stress disorder??

A bit off topic sorry, but what do you know about PTSD, post traumatic stress disorder??

in layman terms,

someone experience something or event that left a super huge impression at the same time it is a negative impression espeically emotionally.

the experience could be:

1. suppressed deeply inside the person as the feeling was too intense and upsetting but when similar experience was presented it will dig out the memory and cause a disruption in the person's life, espeically the recall of the experience as though it was repeating itself and the person was going through it again and again whenever she though about it.

2. without suppress, the experience images repeated in person's head and the person felt as though the same thing was happening again and again and disrupt his/her life

something liek that :)

@imran74 - about the question wat came first, egg or chicken.

Its the chicken of course. God created animals. not eggs, right?

well, when there is life, there will be death
and when there is death, there will be life

chicken and egg,

scientific angle:
everthing started from evolution, ape to man and other mirco-organism becomes different types of animals depending on the environment they are in, thus becoming different species

the micro-organism can become egg or/and chicken both at the same time, thus there is really no need to argue on which came first

godly angle:
most of u posted lots on this, guess i dun need to type anymore :)

in layman terms,

someone experience something or event that left a super huge impression at the same time it is a negative impression espeically emotionally.

the experience could be:

1. suppressed deeply inside the person as the feeling was too intense and upsetting but when similar experience was presented it will dig out the memory and cause a disruption in the person's life, espeically the recall of the experience as though it was repeating itself and the person was going through it again and again whenever she though about it.

2. without suppress, the experience images repeated in person's head and the person felt as though the same thing was happening again and again and disrupt his/her life

something liek that :)

And the cure is??

And the cure is??

No fixed methods of curing...

Most of the time ppl who experienced PTSD goes through counselling.

Different ppl will require different methods of therapy.

For example:
There are cases whereby PTSD is re-lived by the person through hypnotized and the person actually overcome the fear by fighting it in their hallucination as a form of therapy.

the final thing is still either bury inside for life or else confront it and overcome it :)

- Here is your answer -

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God's Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters.

3 God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

4 God saw the light, and saw that it was good. God divided the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." There was evening and there was morning, one day.

6 God said, "Let there be an expanse in the middle of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

7 God made the expanse, and divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.

8 God called the expanse "sky." There was evening and there was morning, a second day.

9 God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered together to one place, and let the dry land appear;" and it was so.

10 God called the dry land "earth," and the gathering together of the waters he called "seas." God saw that it was good.

11 God said, "Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit after their kind, with its seed in it, on the earth;" and it was so.

12 The earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, with its seed in it, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.

13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day.

14 God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of sky to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years;

15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of sky to give light on the earth;" and it was so.

16 God made the two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the expanse of sky to give light to the earth,

18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. God saw that it was good.

19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

20 God said, "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of sky."

21 God created the large sea creatures, and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed, after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind. God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."

23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

24 God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, livestock, creeping things, and animals of the earth after their kind;" and it was so.

25 God made the animals of the earth after their kind, and the livestock after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind. God saw that it was good.

26 God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

27 God created man in his own image. In God's image he created him; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them. God said to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

29 God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food.

30 To every animal of the earth, and to every bird of the sky, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food;" and it was so.

31 God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. There was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.

time and space has no relavence my friend how would you explain the above quoats too an uncivilizedly race?

If you are human, you are human.
If and never will you be a God, you will see things as God. He have power to time and 1 sec is 1 million to ours.
Thus, the theory of creation is explained, in a split second the does things that we sees as millions of years.

If you believe in Darwin theory then you are no different than a monkey.
You must remember (if you are a Christian/Muslim), "God create human in its own likeness, our bodily figure is form in wonders." And our complexity is exceeding any of the other being in the earth. If you have time, check your advance biology book and see in detail how our body bones, muscle, nerves, thinking mind and much more works. Then you compare it of a monkey. And by the way, if you think we evolve from a monkey, then why are they still a monkey trillion years ago and millions years ago and 1000years ago and 200 years ago and 100 years ago and 1 years ago. They are still behaving the same. Same as monkey and that is not 1 species I'm talking about, its many type of species that still remain same. And we human come from a special type of species that can evolve into complex thinking and limitless infinity of possibility. I give that to you Mr. Darwin.

Because either way, I don't think we evolve from a monkey, We evolve from human and human itself have the complexity to rule over the earth, but we ruin in with pollution and killings and murder.

Also, if you think you cannot get the answer brother, go buy a bible and read it. Its call bible and bible means universal dictionary.

Hi,just my two cents worth on creation.I'm a catholic and the way the clergy in Ireland explained Genesis was that human beings 2000 years ago didn't have the scientific knowledge to explain " the big bang" theory and evolution so the explanation in Genesis is just a simplified version of how God was responsible for the world's creation.
In my opinion, there's enough scientific evidence to support Darwinism and science's explanation of how the world came into being so own personal view is that the big bang or whatever theory to which you subscribe originated from God who shaped and modeled the world along the lines of what scientists say happened.
And the same theory applies to Darwinism,isn't it possible men are descended from apes ,according to God's plan?That's just my rough belief.
I'm a devout Catholic but I'm also a logical person who believes in science and it's discoveries and their is some pretty strong evidence to support the Big Bang theory and Darwinism,although like everything they do have their pitfalls.

So it means that our ancestors were monkeys, right? Still, there's no answer about what came first.

Micro organisms came first. Then due to genetic mutations in them different species started to evolve. :)
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