1. EDGE is too slow for the iPhone.

There are still lots of phones that ship with only 2G GPRS or 2.5G EDGE data support, but it's really not a big deal on those phones because their Internet capabilities are so watered down as to be almost useless.

On most phones, the web browser mangles pages into something that's mostly text-only and WAP-like. Even on Nokia phones with the Safari rendering core, the user interface for panning and scanning the full size web page is still too cumbersome to be useful for regular web browsing on the go.

With the iPhone it's different. Safari is really usable, and when it's purring on WiFi, it's an absolute pleasure to use. But stick it on an EDGE mobile network and the frustration builds quickly. On many web pages the load times are intolerable for regular browsing.

On Windows Mobile, the browsing is experience is slow to render and the user interface is so generally awful you probably wouldn't notice the difference between WiFi and 2G/2.5G anyway.

2. Mobile Safari is great, but not for all websites.

Try going to theage.com.au or smh.com.au on your iPhone and you'll soon see why Mobile Safari isn't 100% compatible with all sites on the net.

Digg is another example of a website that doesn't render quickly on Mobile Safari, which is curious considering its lightweight layout.

On Windows Mobile, the browsing is experience is still so awful there's no comparison. It might be called "Internet Explorer" on Windows Mobile, but it's a pale comparison in terms of ability to render pages compared with IE for Windows.

3. Inputting information into web fields can be slow and painful.

For some reason inputting text into fields on a website can be awfully slow. Sometimes iPhone just freezes up and won't accept inputs at all. I've noticed different performance on different sites so your mileage may vary.

Like #1 and #2, on Windows Mobile, the browsing is experience is still so abjectly dreadful you wouldn't notice if there were problems with text entry fields.

4. Deleting multiple emails is way too hard.

If you've got more than a page full of emails (and you will when you first set up Gmail on your phone) it can be a nightmare to delete them all. Plus, once you start deleting them, more come in. It took me two days of solid deleting to finally clear my inbox.

This is a user interface flaw that should have been picked up by Apple if it wants to be taken seriously in the email-phone space. Blackberries have had simple menu commands like "delete previous emails" for years.

You can't easily delete emails on some versions of Windows Mobile either, though. (The version that runs on the BlackJack, for example).

5. The virtual keyboard is good, but not great.

I still miss my Blackberry keyboard. I've spent over ten days on the iPhone now and while I can type quickly I still find it less comfortable to hold with two hands. Also, there's no way to edit the custom dictionary but there needs to be.

You could be on any different Windows smart phone. Some have great keyboards (like the BlackJack) and some have only on-screen keyboards.

The ones with only on-screen keyboards suck eggs and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as the iPhone's virtual keyboard -- they often require stylus input, and have none of the iPhone's smarts like a popup character that appears above your fingertip so you can be sure you're pressing the right on-screen key.

6. The camera doesn't work if your subject is moving.

It's too slow. It is however as good as the best camera phone if your subject is still and the light is good. Also, while the interface is simple it's very quick to view the photos you've taken.

Same goes for Windows phones. And most phones in general, in fact. Despite what the bus-shelter advertising from Nokia tells you, phone cameras are universally awful (mostly because of their slow response time -- it's common for a phone to take 10-15 seconds to switch to camera mode), and user interfaces just as bad.

7. Ringer is too soft

Even at its highest setting the ringer is still too low. This is strange given the folk law that suggests that Steve Jobs has bad hearing and purposefully designed the iPod to deliver louder-than-average volume. I wonder if Steve ever misses calls?

With Window phones it depends on the phones. I'd guess that most are better than the iPhone in this regard.

8. The Stocks application only supports US stocks.

I didn't realise other markets existed. Did you?

Windows is an open market and I'm sure there are many third-party applications that give you this information.

Hopefully Apple will open up the iPhone to third party developers soon.

9. Using the jog control in iPod mode isn't accurate enough.

I haven't been able to accurately control the play-head position in iPod mode. At least not to the same extent as on a regular scroll wheel iPod.

And, it must be said, using a touch screen, with no tactile buttons when you're jogging (or otherwise not looking at your iPhone) makes it considerably harder to change tracks than on a traditional iPod.

To be honest I've never actually used the media playback functionality on a Windows Mobile phone... memories of Windows Media Player for Windows put me off.

10. The default setting for the Timer is always "Marimba"

Sometimes, it's the little things that are so irritating... and I refuse to forgive Apple for it, since Apple's whole raison d'etre is perfection of the fine points of user interface. Windows is the OS for people who don't mind irritating default settings.

I like to fall asleep listening to music. Changing the setting once should set it for next time. It doesn't and it sucks.

Again, not sure about Windows but I presume it's equally complicated, if not more so. Happy to hear from Windows Mobile users on their real-life experience here.

11. Out-of-order lists for no obvious reason

Keeping lists in alphabetical order is a good practice, if there's no other logical way of sorting the items, so why then, are ring-tones in the iPhone out of order? The top ring-tone the top selection is always 'Marimba'. Why the hell isn't 'Marimba' above 'Motorcycle'? What makes it special? Is it simply Steve Jobs' favourite ringtone that has been foisted on all the rest of us unilaterally?

Since this is a specific iPhone software problem, I'm going to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt and assume there is no problem with list ordering on Windows Mobile (though nothing would surprise me.)

12. WiFi reception seems weaker than other devices

When scanning for WiFi networks, unless you're standing in the same room as a base station, the WiFi reception level on the iPhone seems consistently low. Other devices tested in the same locations get strong reception. I can only assume it's an antenna design issue in the iPhone, but I hope it's something Apple can improve on with a software update.

On Windows Mobile phones? Well, it's a hardware design issue more than a software one. I'd be interested in hearing from owners of WiFi enabled phones -- Windows Mobile or other -- on how their WiFi reception measures up to other devices like laptops.

13. 8GB is spread thin in the iPhone

If you had dreams of an iPod phone that could store all your email, your iPhoto library, a nice chunk of videos and your music, be prepared to spend a lot of time paring back the stuff you sync with your iPhone. 8GB doesn't go very far at all when you look at all the different type of media that can be stored on it.

Then again, show me the Windows Mobile phone that can store more than 8GB... and if you do happen to pull one out of your hat, is it in a desirable, class-leading slim form factor?

14. No instant messaging. Full stop.

Apple has uncharacteristically accommodated AT&T by not including any sort of instant messaging on the iPhone. The closest you can get is a kind of instant messaging view for SMSes you send and receive. Of course, the reason for this is that AT&T differentiates its iPhone plans on two factors: call value and the number of SMSes included.

But seriously, the iPhone is a computer -- it runs OS X, a high-res screen and it a TCP/IP pipe available to it. Not including an instant messaging application -- even one to access the iChat network (AIM/OSCAR) -- is simply an inconvenience to customers who will have to get by with web-based IM systems.

Most phones that come with Windows Mobile come with some form of MSN/Windows Live Messenger at least.

15. Battery is not user replaceable

When -- not if -- the battery in your iPhone loses most of its recharge capacity, you have to send your iPhone back to Apple. And for the privilege of that incredibly inconvenient service Apple wants $US79 plus $7 shipping.

Apple will also erase everything on your iPhone in the process.

Oh, and if you want a loan phone while your main unit is being serviced, it'll cost another $US29.

So, basically, to replicate the experience that every other mobile user gets by walking into a mobile phone shop, buying a new battery and swapping it out on the spot, it's going to cost you $US115.

'Fraid to say, the Windows Mobile phones kick ass in this department: a genuine Samsung Blackjack extended life battery goes for between $US20 - $US40.

So, the verdict overall

Well, clearly, the iPhone has a bunch of problems -- some significant, and some less so -- but Microsoft's Windows Mobile has many of the same problems in greater magnitudes.

In fact, if you look at the overall fit and finish and stability of the iPhone OS, it's very impressive compared to the average Windows Mobile Phone.

These 15 points are problems that are tremendously outweighed by the number of good points in the iPhone.

There are some corkers in there that Apple really needs to make right for current iPhone customers, and in future evolutions of the iPhone, but given the choice between an iPhone and a Windows Mobile phone, which one would I buy? Still the iPhone. By a large margin.

Courtesy -> Danny Gorog, APC

And you had to post 16 times just to tell us your opinion???

A single post would of been more than enough...

Hahahaha...i never been amused like this...are u paid by Microsoft?
Man...get a life...get an iPhone !

I think you never hold an iPhone in your hands.

nice work vivek.. loved the way you scrutinize the finer points..
rep+

iphone winner by brand of apple only , not by features in side :)

14. No instant messaging. Full stop.

Apple has uncharacteristically accommodated AT&T by not including any sort of instant messaging on the iPhone. The closest you can get is a kind of instant messaging view for SMSes you send and receive. Of course, the reason for this is that AT&T differentiates its iPhone plans on two factors: call value and the number of SMSes included.

But seriously, the iPhone is a computer -- it runs OS X, a high-res screen and it a TCP/IP pipe available to it. Not including an instant messaging application -- even one to access the iChat network (AIM/OSCAR) -- is simply an inconvenience to customers who will have to get by with web-based IM systems.

Most phones that come with Windows Mobile come with some form of MSN/Windows Live Messenger at least.

There is an instant messenger : Apollo.And it works pretty well.
To download via install app.

nice one man.. i would always like windows better than mac even if mac did everything to beautify their UI..

rep +

what's wrong with iphone is it's not in my pocket right now.
= )
walang pambili!!!!

I´ve read some about the iPhone, and I think there are worst things. I love the user interface, its beautiful, its fast, etc, but you can´t install third party soft (unbelieveble), can´t change battery ¿?(unbelieveble), no 3g, no videocalls, can´t use it like mass storage, you need to sincronice with itunes, can´t use a stylus....and many other problems, I can´t remember now. I got an htc p3300 with most of the features of the iPhone + a integrated GPS receiver and I thing, by now I´ll keep waiting for something better...I don´t like nokia at all, but they are preparing something to fight the iPhone, let´s see....

yeah the ui is kinda good but thats about it.

good comments looksvivek.. quite informational.

yeah vivek.. thats why apple had to slash the prices of iphone by 200 $..
dont you guys take the cue.

I just got my Iphone yesterday and immediately I found a few things that I didnt like about it beside what was already written, bear in mind that this is a stock Iphone and have not yet been updated with the latest sw.:

1. I cant forward an sms, Is there a way to forward an sms?
2. Caller i.d. does not recognize the international prefix of +63 etc or what ever country's prefix you may have, now i have to edit all my contacts to the regular 0917xxxxxxx etc.
3. Is there a way to change the sms tone? Arrrg
4. Although im not a camera phone guy, there are no option when taking a picture.

I have yet to post more faults in this phone, im not trying to be bias but ive been a pocket pc mobile user for more than 5 years now, my latest is the dopod 838 pro which i got just 2 weeks ago. im trying to justify why i should make the iphone my primary cellphone and the dopod my secondary one and not the other way around.

Wat I heard the opinion from my those colleague for Iphone is "It's nice to see, but not nice to use". >.<

thanks for info,

the 'feel' when pressing keys seems confusing, if you are used on using phones with 'keypad domes'.

also accidentally pressing keys with just a slight touch and this iphone thinks its not.

i just borrowed it for a while, 10 min to be exact.. its an eye candy.. but not for my hands.

wbr,

I just got my Iphone yesterday and immediately I found a few things that I didnt like about it beside what was already written, bear in mind that this is a stock Iphone and have not yet been updated with the latest sw.:

1. I cant forward an sms, Is there a way to forward an sms?
2. Caller i.d. does not recognize the international prefix of +63 etc or what ever country's prefix you may have, now i have to edit all my contacts to the regular 0917xxxxxxx etc.
3. Is there a way to change the sms tone? Arrrg
4. Although im not a camera phone guy, there are no option when taking a picture.

I have yet to post more faults in this phone, im not trying to be bias but ive been a pocket pc mobile user for more than 5 years now, my latest is the dopod 838 pro which i got just 2 weeks ago. im trying to justify why i should make the iphone my primary cellphone and the dopod my secondary one and not the other way around.

1) YOU CAN NOW FORWARD MESSAGES W/ NEW VERSION OF SMSD OR WETOOL..I DISCUSSED it IN the OTHER THREAD

2) THERE IS A FIX FOR THAT -- (use 7-digits)
1.0.2 or 1.1.1 here is the fix [Only registered and activated users can see links]
1.1.2 ISSUE FIXED
3) 1.0.2 --> changing SMS tone can be done easily thru ibrickr or customise.app
1.1.1 --> mecca patched then now i will give u an assignment to search in modmyifone.com
1.1.2---> easily done
4) Wait for the upgrade for this program...BUT IT WILL BE NEXTYEAR.. apple need to do everything to make more money

i have a dream, and my dream is to have a nokia N95 8gb with the multi tough screen. i have a dream.
really as comparied to the nokia n95 8gb symbian phone the only break trough is the multi tough screen that the i phone brings, notting more even the motion senser is built in the n95s

vivek, you missed to tell us that iphone doesn't have MMS.

You also cannot send an SMS to multiple contacts.
You cannot divert calls to another number ie your carphone!

The iphone is just a hype driven by excellent marketing. It's the best example around of how the media can mass influence the buying behavior of customers even thought the product sucks. There are many phones out there that are superior compared to the iphone. These phones are not known by the average iphone user who most of the time never used an high-end mobile before. So the slogan "get a life get an iphone" is not really valid, "get a life and try other high-end mobiles before inventing stupid slogans" would be better suited.

there is one thing that we all agree on. and that is, iphone came from ipod and they where good on there ipods but yet they have to work hard to become a revelotionary phone, or just a phone. altough they already have this amazing new things they still have to work on the old and imporant things like sms forwarding, call divertings, MMS, Sim contacts, I have to sync trough my yahoo address book while my sim is still on the phone and it just suck. and no zoom on the camera, no video recording... you finish it they must work hard to really make it a phone.

My friend has a iPhone and it does look very good, though the features seem to lack at the moment until apple bring out updates... Also 3rd party application installing is very tight apparantly...

And rep added to RA, as "The iphone is just a hype driven by excellent marketing" i thought is true in my eyes

In my opinion, if they added 3g, video calling, more applications etc, i would think of getting one, though N95/Symbian will always remain a masterpiece to me.

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Hope NOT ALL HERE IS IPHONE's HATERS... LOL


its been a long time im using a windows mobile device. From ipaq to XDA 1, to imate JAM & to O2 XDA. Im a senior and OLD MEMBER of XDA Developer Forum. This is the best forum for all HTC device. From Sofware development discussions till ROM discussions. Why I mentioned this? I just want to inform you that I REALLY KNOW THE EVOLUTION of windows mobile since it started. Im cooking ROM also for windows mobile, if you dont know that dont ask me anymore, it means u just know the simple thing in Windows Mobile.

Windows mobile is a WINDOWS BASED SYSTEM. That's the main thing why it is different to iphone which is a MAC BASED. Many of us probably is a Windows PC users specially like me who is from a 3rd world country. It is more economical to use this type oc computer. NOW THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND AN IPHONE coz most of us is familiar to windows.

Honestly windows mobile is quite ahead in terms of SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT. OF course this was created many years ago. APPLE doesnt allowed SDK also. and now JAILBREAKING BECOME POPULAR in iphone. As days goes by, a lot of programs are now good for iphone.

FOR NOW THE ONLY PROBLEM IN IPHONE is software development limitation. THE SPEED OF INTERNET IS TRULY FANTASTIC COMPARE TO A WINDOWS MOBILE. NO ONE CAN BEAT THAT. ALSO REGARDING THE COMFORTABILITY USING THE IPHONE SCREEN. Iphone is much better. Just an experiment...if u are a windows mobile users TRY IPHONE FOR A WEEK (assuming you know most of the iphone features) then try to return to ur WM device. what will be ur reaction? HEHEHE LOL. No COMMENT, i know that feelings too.

I read all the 15 reasons mentioned here in the thread. I will just smile and will keep silence & not offend anyone. I can discuss one by one the point the poster brought up BUT ITS A WASTE OF TIME to discuss it to people who already have a conclusion even they dont study,evaluate, and research what they posted. YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OF HAVING A WINDOWS MOBILE and HAVING AN OWN IPHONE will be a great help. I understand also what is TREND and HYPE, but i also know about electronics and gadgets. What is better to many people? THE READERS ITSELF WILL DECIDE. you just need to have both mobile to distinguish which one is the best. BUT NOT BEING AN OWNER ONLY, you should know more about the features of each mobile.

I just want to clear it to everyone. BOTH HAVE PROS AND CONS. But REMEMBER ALSO that iphone just released last year. Did anyone realized what people think when the windows mobile introduced to the market?...just think of that. Did you know how many bugs that time were found? ANSWER it by urself then you will smile also. HOPE TO SEE THE LOGIC!

I'm pretty sure apple will release updates (firmware) to patch the missing essentials, and maybe make a iPhone 2 which is better... If apple do make it better and fix the bugs, put what most phones have in and possibly add more 3rd party apps, i would use it, and it'll half replace my pda.

So good luck apple, and i hope nokia can compete 'til death :D

You also cannot send an SMS to multiple contacts.
You cannot divert calls to another number ie your carphone!

You can send to multiple contacts. INSTALL WETOOL or SMSD. both app is available thru installer.app

DIVERTING IS NOT an issue for me.

TRY TO BE A PART OF modmyifone.com, you will learn a lot about iphone.

vivek, you missed to tell us that iphone doesn't have MMS.

swirlyMMS.app thats the name of the program. It has now.

MODS please merge post 1-16 , it makes the thread very lengthy and difficult 2 read!!!

looksvivek try to post all ur infos in one post , it makes the thread very difficult 2 read , and i c that u r a iPhone critic , all ur points shows u r againt iphone , anyways reps + for ur measures!!! ;)

P.S: How much u r getting paid by Microsoft , lol, just kidding ; nice measures bro ;)

actually i have been converted now. after feeling iphone in my hands and using it for a while i just loved its user interface. the screen resolution and clarity is commendable too. the only drawback is lack of proper softwares yet, but then it is still relatively new and developers for it will emerge over time. ;)
:friends:

Its not reallly Microsoft vs Apple iPhone to be honest... MS make pda phones, and the iPhone is more of a phone...

There is no doubt the iPhone is prettier than most WM PDA phones, however, some dislike the bland and rather naive look. The user interface isnt all that either. I much prefer the windows feel to the apple feel in all comparable devices, be they phones or PCs.

Although Windows mobile has been on the market sometime, that no excuse for some of the stupid shortcomings the iPhone has. Being 'new' is not a reason for stupidity. Totally lacking a hardware interface is fine if done well. Its not on the iPhone. Just try using it properly on a bouncy bus or when running, or in the rain. Its hard or impossible. No feedback on the touch means hard to use in the real world. Not all iPhone users are smug middle class types who spend all day in coffee shops (with Wifi hotspots) talking about high class literature and saving the environment (although that is Apples image)! Some of us need to text, email or talk on the move and sending say 20 texts, 10 emails and making a few calls is nothing short of a painful experience on the iPhone unless you can be completely still and give it your full concentration.

As an MP3 player it works, the iPod touch is a nice thing, as a phone it doesnt, that makes the iPhone bad. Im a technology reviewer who works freelance on a number of sites, the iPhone is without doubt one of the worst 10 devices of 2007 for me. I feel this way because im immune to its looks and can see past them so i understand what a seriously flawed device it is.

hahaa id cry if someone took my htc mogul and gave me an iphone

LOL............U all can't buy it and u always say that iphone is bad phone noobs.
The iphone is very great and comfortible phone.
n95... big,ugly slow ****ing meniu bad screen and it everyone buying because it's nokia
u idiot's

LOL............U all can't buy it and u always say that iphone is bad phone noobs.
The iphone is very great and comfortible phone.
n95... big,ugly slow ****ing meniu bad screen and it everyone buying because it's nokia
u idiot's

Mind your tongue. This is a thread for discussion. But not for using the unparliamentary words.

its everyones right to choose their like wether iphone or symbian or windoze..
so pls dont make abusive comments!
ok pls continue discussion..

I played on the iPhone in an O2 store, and its not that big... Anything it can do, the N95 can do, but much better and it can do more. As you said its slow, firmware updates sort that, and even though i've crammed a load of apps/games, its still pretty fast, and i aint updated it yet.

As for ugly, its got the most unique design out of all - Touch screen isn't anything new, the 2-way slider is. As for big, you try making a phone with intergrated GPS, 5MP Camera, 2-way silder with media buttons etc and make it small. Hard isn't it? And for me, the size is great. The screen is great - Brilliant quality videos can be played. Also it has 3.5g...

Alongside that, the iPhone lacks the basics - I mean MMS and Video recording isn't a feature. Well done apple, great job there.

Windows Mobile is better IMO too - More software, more default features etc...
Though this is my opinion, you have to look at the pro's and con's and decide for you what is best. Everybody is entitled to an opinion